![]() Lots of people just buy one version and use it for years and years. I’m sure a lot of people who buy into Ableton pay the one of price and then don’t upgrade each time a new version is out, only the die-hards do. Maybe a lot of users choose not to upgrade to new version once they have a full working version with everything they need to do them for several years. I presume that Image Line get there one of payment for the full version of FL Studio for like $450 or whatever and that can keeps them going. That said I think the EQ+ of Bitwig is even better sounding than EQ8. Of course Renoise still is king when it comes to some of the workflow features (also if you count a pattern/tracker view into the area “workflow”).Īt least there must be a reason why countless musicians use Ableton. Exactly that’s what I am missing with Bitwig: They seem to focus on a lot special or even niche interests, while leaving out pretty obivous missing workflow stuff or even long time bugs (I guess they can’t reproduce it). I like the “integration” part in the recent Ableton version and they stilla re improving the workflow. But since they are added, I wanted to mention that the Ableton EQ8 and the reverb are to very high quality, so you might not even require any VST here anymore. I also could completely go without a lot of native dsp stuff, I even think it is mostly a waste of development time, except for really required dsp devices like tools, chains, containers, spreaders, splitters and maybe eq/compression basics etc. For me at least, workflow is the most important criteria. Overall the plain editors seem to be more comfortable and capable in Ableton to me than in Bitwig. Then the MPE stuff seems to go beyond the current state in Bitwig. But I like the integration in Ableton more, for example all harmonical stuff appears in the pianoroll, and not simply as a midi fx device only. What do you think about it? And if you already have Bitwig, is it still attractive to you? I barely have any long time experience with Ableton, so I don’t know about limitations. Though the whole concept of Bitwig of course is way more smart and comfortable, focussing on a receiver-concept instead sender-concept. But with a bunch of workarounds and post-installation, you also can add meta signal LFOs to parameters and so on. ![]() The only thing I would miss in Ableton is the super fancy modulation system like in Bitwig. Bitwig, too, but still lacking of some elemental stuff (while the grid is a superb niche synth system of course). Also the bundled Ableton dsp is extremely high quality. Seems to me that Ableton does listen to the requests. I already have Bitwig, but I was not so satisfied about the feature direction it went, not focussing on these general DAW features. My 2 cents here: For me, these additions seem to make Ableton very complete. So there now are 16 macro parameters (is it possible that this will have an influence on Renoise, too?), harmonical stuff, the gui on 4k macos is fast as never before even with uneven scaling factors, and there are really good new dsp devices, for example a superb sounding reverb. They basically added MPE support, but in a very detailed way, comping, and a lot of nice details. Ableton 11 was just published, and it looks to me like a very complete DAW.
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